Egyptian Baha'is Demand Their Rights Again



The Baha'is of Egypt have been subjected to persecution and systematic oppression. While their quest for equality has been finally heard by many of their fellow citizens, there remain challenges and obstacles to the implementation of laws intended to grant them their full civil rights and equal opportunity in their society. With the emergence of the new Egypt, they seek to be given the opportunity to actively engage in rebuilding their nation.
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The second article in the promised series on Egyptian Baha'is was published on 25 September 2006 in Rose el-Yousef newspaper. As before, the writer relies heavily on sensationalism and contemptible journalism.
This time he recounts the history of a Baha'i Family which was headed by the late Mr. Hussein Ruhi. It is not clear how the author had obtained his information since he does not use any references to support his story. The only reference he makes regarding this, is a vague description of how he had obtained his information by deceiving Mr. Ruhi's son, who was described by the author as: "an elderly Mr. Hassan Ruhi...who cannot differentiate between dreams and reality...and who did not realize that his documents and photographs would land in the hands of a man the age of his grandchildren who loves writing and adores documents in order to satisfy his readers."
It is truly tragic to witness such journalism that is devoid of ethics and integrity!The purpose of this post is to expose the writer's intentions and to make these articles available to those who would want to respond to the inaccuracies indicated in the publication. The comment section of this blog is entirely open for such responses and clarifications. In addition to posting comments on this blog, members of the families mentioned in the article might also want to write to the editor of Rose el-Yousef with their thoughts, responses and corrections.
The other article published in Rose el-Yousef on the same day, is a report on a study regarding the Baha'i Faith conducted by Mr. Sameh Sayyid who was commissioned by al-Azhar's Islamic Research Council. The "researcher" admits that the Baha'i International Community had written a letter to al-Azhar with copies to Egypt's President Mubarak and Prime Minister Nazif, offering to collaborate with al-Azhar in this study, but apparently the offer was ignored, and the study was conducted without any input from the Baha'i Institutions nor the input of any reputable scholarly and unbiased agency.
Of course the report exudes falsehood and the usual nonsense and misrepresentations--again nothing new! It also clearly illustrates the very poor scholarship and intellectual dishonesty exhibited by this "learned institution" and its so-called scholars and men of the law. All these accusations have been repeatedly addressed by authoritative as well as scholarly responses as can be seen (in English) HERE and (in Arabic) HERE. Other responses to al-Azhar (in Arabic) can be accessed HERE. Also, a letter which was written to Egypt's Minister of Justice prior to the completion of this "study" can be seen HERE.
This apparent "legal scholar" goes further to propose a solution to the ID Card dilemma with which the Baha'is have been faced. He offers that either the section on religion is left vacant or that it indicates "without religion." His justification is that the Baha'is as well as others who don't belong to the "three recognized religions" in Egypt "could be identified and treated accordingly." Here is another reminder of the grim past when people were selectively identified according to their religion so that they could be persecuted and rounded up whenever the need arises, as described in this previous post.
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Al-Mesreyoon (The Egyptians) newspaper published an article on 22 September 2006 entitled: [Ministry of] Foreign Affairs prepares a response to the American report on religious freedom...it includes denial of its accusations that Egypt violates minority rights, and confirms taking "correctional" reforms.
US State Department Report on Religious Freedom can be seen HERE.
The article continues by describing the specific violations that were stated in the US report with reference to the rights of the Baha'is, Christians and Shi'a Muslims.
It added that the government's response will use the April 2006 Administrative Court ruling that granted the Baha'is their rights to indicate their religion on official documents as a proof of Egypt's fair treatment of minorities.
Ironically, the government continues its appeal to the Supreme Administrative Court to reverse the ruling of the Administrative Court! Currently the implementation of the ruling remains suspended as a result of the government's appeal, and the case remains pending before the Supreme Court after being postponed for the third time.
Based on this planned response, one can only conclude that perhaps the government is now considering to withdraw its appeal! Thus its response to the US Report is accompanied with real implementation of its words and with deeds consistent with its response, that is treating the Baha'is as equal citizens and allowing them to obtain ID Cards as provided in the court's decision.
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In the 14 September 2006 issue of al-Ahram, the leading newspaper in Egypt, an article reported on the recent convention of religious leaders held in Kazakhstan. Egypt was represented by its Minister of Religious Endowment (Awqaf), Dr. Mahmoud Hamdy Zaqzooq. In his address to the convention, he stated:
"Islam had depended on religious and civilized dialogue since its inception, with the principle premise to collaborate and cooperate with the followers of other religions and civilizations." He pointed out that "this means--naturally--the recognition of other [religions] and their entitlement to essential rights, such as freedom of belief, and peaceful association without any discrimination."
The Minister added in his speech, representing the Egyptian Government to the convention which was held over a three day period in Kazakhstan:
"Islam is not satisfied merely with the recognition of other [religions], but [Islam] orders [its followers] to live and associate positively with them and to treat them with justice and equality. And that all this is for the purpose of establishing a human society that is endowed with security, peace and stability."
It goes without saying that these pronouncements are truly wonderful, righteous and just. It remains to be seen how these words will be applied into real action within the Egyptian society and not only during international conventions. The Baha'i case is a perfect example for such application, particularly when one examines the recent pronouncements by the same Ministry in the directive given to Mosque leaders around the country asking them to defame and attack the Baha'is during their Friday sermons as had been reported earlier in a post linked HERE. Also, another post regarding a book intended to attack the Baha'is and recently published under the direction of the Egyptian Ministry of Religious Endowment, can be reviewed HERE.
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A very interesting Article was published in April 2006 by Dr. Jamal A. Badawi, a professor at Saint Mary's University in Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada, and entitled: Is Apostasy a Capital Crime in Islam? The article is well written and follows a solid scientific and objective methodology. Dr. Badawi introduces his study as follows:
Apostasy, or "riddah" in Arabic, literally means defection or backsliding. As an Islamic legal term, it means denouncing Islam as one's religion by a Muslim. There has been a wide variety of opinions by Muslim scholars throughout nearly fourteen centuries concerning punishment for apostasy with the majority of the opinion that apostasy is a capital crime as it threatens the integrity and stability of the Muslim community and state. This paper aims at critically evaluating these views in the light of the Qur'an and Hadith.
Later on under the title "Evidence from the Qur'an," he writes:
There is no single verse in the Qur'an that prescribes an earthly punishment for apostasy. Verses about apostasy in the Qur'an speak only about God's punishment of the apostate in the Hereafter. The following Qur'anic verses illustrate two examples:
[Your enemies will not cease to fight against you till they have turned you away from your faith, if they can. But if any of you should turn away from his/her faith and die as a denier [of the truth]--these it is whose works will bear no fruit in this world and in the life to come; and these it is who are destined for the fire, therein to abide.] (Al-Baqarah 2:217)
[Behold, as for those who come to believe, and then deny the truth, and again come to believe, and again deny the truth, and thereafter grow stubborn in their denial of truth--God will not forgive them, nor will guide them in any way.] (An-Nisaa' 4:137)
In his conclusion he writes:
The preponderance of evidence from both the Qur'an and Sunnah indicates that there is no firm ground for the claim that apostasy is in itself a mandatory fixed punishment (hadd), namely capital punishment.
References to early capital punishment for apostasy were not due to apostasy itself, but rather other capital crimes that were coupled with it.
In the context of the besieged early Muslim community, apostasy was a major threat to the nascent Muslim community. Taking a passive attitude towards it would have jeopardized the very emergence of the Muslim community. This may be one reason why the consensus of scholars is that apostasy is an offense (in the context of an Islamic society) is an offense. However, there are wide divergence of views about its suitable punishment. Sheikh `Abdul-Majeed Subh argues that "we can conclude that the issue of the penalty prescribed for apostasy is dependent on the public interest of the nation. Therefore, there is no harm in ignoring the apostasy of an individual as long as he or she does not harm the nation. On the other hand, if a group of apostates endangers the security and interests of the Muslim community, then the Muslim ruler should consider them to be a danger and threat to society.As religious opinions (fatwas) change with the changing time, place, custom, and circumstances, this issue should be reexamined within the basic boundaries of Islamic jurisprudence and not simply of pressures of others. No Muslim is required to change the indisputable stable and fixed aspects of Shari`ah for the sake of pleasing others or earning the title "moderate" or "open minded." In the meantime, jurisprudent rulings and interpretations in the non-fixed area need not be permanent either.
For the full article, please click here. Also, for another article by Gamal el-Banna on the question of apostasy, reaching the same conclusions as Dr. Badawi, published in Arabic, please click here.
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In an Egyptian newspaper named al-Doustour (The Constitution), an article appeared today, 20 September 2006, examining with objectivity the most recent conflict between Muslims and Christians which was triggered by the Pope's recent statements. The article was written by its senior editor, Mr. Ehab Abdel Hamid, entitled: Followers of every religion believe that they are "God's chosen ones" and that all the rest are either ignorant or heretics. He spoke of how easy it is for the followers of one religion to be totally oblivious of others' convictions and beliefs, and to fall into the exact same biases and errors that they accuse others of committing.
He then applied his analysis to the persecution of the Baha'is in Egypt, and used this as a perfect example in order to illustrate his point.He stated the following: "...and we had in the Baha'i case an example and case-in-point. It is us that shout and scream that the west debases us and our religion. We united ourselves in one man's heart [one voice] calling for killing the Baha'is or expelling them from our country, or at least treating them as second-class citizens, accusing their fathers of [horrific acts]. And some do smartly pronounce that the Baha'i [Faith] is not a Divine religion. And we say that this is the belief and conviction of the Muslims. Meanwhile, the belief of the Christians is that Islam is not a Divine religion, and that no religions will follow Christianity." He then goes on to further his analysis of how this type of hypocrisy is so prevalent in the current worldwide religious debate.
This journalist, with his example of independent writing, shows us how the press could report objectively and honestly on critical issues without being influenced by any agenda, whether political, religious or otherwise. Incidentally, al-Doustour is labeled by some prominent Egyptian journalists as "daring!"
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Today, 18 September 2006, Egypt's Rose el-Yousef daily newspaper published a six-page article on the history of the Baha'i Faith in Egypt. Rose el-Yousef is one of the most prominent publications in the country known for its weekly magazine, established in 1925, somewhat similar in "style" to The New Yorker magazine. The daily newspaper was established more recently as an extension of the weekly magazine.Because of the extent of the article, its pages will be displayed here for the time being while a digest of its content is being worked on. Also, until a better scan is available, unfortunately one might find it a bit difficult to read the current pages....
Digest:
The article is entitled: "Baha'is...Stories and Exposure of Cases."
In addition to the several old photographs shown, the article displays what it calls "a rare picture of Abdu'l-Baha," and describes his visits and interactions with the Egyptian Baha'is. The article contains historical correspondence & documents (calling them secrets), annual reports, several names of early Baha'is, court decisions, old news media publications, some historical accounts including partial history of the Baha'i Faith, and an old marriage certificate of a Baha'i couple [which was known to be connected to a court decision leading to the official recognition and emancipation of the Baha'i Faith as described in this previous post].
Even though the article shows some real photographs and documents, it unfortunately falls into the usual whirlwind of inaccuracies and use of clearly fabricated insinuations intended to play a certain tune suited for the uninformed readers, which in turn could trigger further hostilities towards the innocent Baha'i population. The article also uses catching headlines and phrases that misrepresent and attempt to defame the Baha'is.
It is surprising--to a certain degree--that such reputable national media publication engages in this kind of questionable journalism that borders on violating the ethics of the profession. The whole article is presented in the spirit of "scandalous sensationalism," that would be normally expected of tabloid publications. It is a clear sign of decay....
After describing some early court battles dating back to 1925, that involved the rights of the Baha'is, the article concludes by stating: "was this lawsuit the end of their dreams and lawsuits? The answer is 'no' as will be exposed in the next several episodes in the series of Rose el-Yousef reports exposing the covenants of Baha'ism and Baha'is."
One can only wonder, what are the motives behind this series of publications, at this time, and by this particular newspaper? It is quite evident that this well-known press organization is no longer a free and independent agent!
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Yesterday, 16 September 2006, al-Mesryoon (The Egyptians), an independent Egyptian daily newspaper, published a report on the US Department of State's International Religious Freedom Report which was released by the Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor on 15 September 2006.
The paper summarized the report in great detail. However, the writer of the article appears to have made a substantial error in his interpretation of the number of the Baha'i population in Egypt. The writer, Mr. Ahmad Hassan Bakr reported: "[the US State Department] claimed that the number of Baha'is in Egypt exceeds 500,000 individuals."
In another paragraph, he writes: "Even though the [US State Department] report on religious freedoms for the year 2005 estimated the [number of] Baha'is in Egypt [to be] 2,000 Baha'is only, but that this year's report estimated their number [to be] 500,000."In fact, the US State Department's Report stated the following: "...The Government also continued to deny civil documents, including identity cards, birth certificates, and marriage licenses, to members of the Baha'i community, which numbered 500 to 2000 persons."
And in another paragraph, the report of the US State Department stated: "...The number of Baha'is was estimated at between 500 and 2 thousand persons."
It should be noted that since the dissolution of the Baha'i Institutions in Egypt by the presidential decree of 1960, there has been no way to know or even estimate the number of Baha'is in Egypt. There is no mechanism to register them or even find them. So, these estimates may not reflect reality at all.
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Cairo: the Egyptian Supreme Administrative Court convened today, 16 September 2006, to hear the Government's appeal of the lower Administrative Court's ruling which granted the Baha'is their rights to document their religion in all official government documents. Because the Government was unable to produce its report on this matter which was initially requested by the Court, the judges (shown in the photograph) decided--for the third time--to postpone the case, and scheduled to reconvene the court on 20 November 2006 to hear the case. Another case concerning the Baha'is and of similar importance will be heard by the same court on 20 September 2006.
Meanwhile, the Government will present its annual accountability report and plans for future policies to the convention of the ruling National Democratic Party scheduled for 19-21 September 2006. The theme for the convention is: "New thinking and a second leap towards the future." A wide range of issues will be discussed and worked on, including citizen's civil rights as well as democracy. The convention will close with a speech by President Hosni Mubarak. This was published in today's edition of al-Ahram newspaper linked here. (Sorry, the Arabic link for the 16 September issue is now unavailable)
The following was reported in the current issue of al-Ahram's English website regarding the proposed reforms:"As has been the case for the past few years, Gamal Mubarak -- President Hosni Mubarak's 43-year-old son and the head of the party's powerful Policies Committee -- will be playing a leading role at the conference. In fact, he is in charge of forging the party's new political platform. On the conference's first and second day, he will lead two debates about "democracy and citizenship", discussions that will be based on an NDP report on "democracy and citizenship rights" that party insiders said has been updated from its original, highly theoretical version that was prepared for the party's first annual conference in 2003. That draft spoke in rather general terms about the importance of promoting a culture of democracy, modernisation, religious tolerance, moderation and legislative reform. The revised version supposedly delves into much more detail about the number of constitutional amendments required to turn President Mubarak's 2005 re-election campaign's political reform programme into reality."
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Today, 15 September 2006, the US Department of State released its International Religious Freedom Report for the year 2006. The report opens with description of the current status of the Baha'is of Egypt. The full report on Egypt can be accessed here. Report on Iran can be seen here. For reports on other countries please click here. The Executive Summary can be seen in English here, and in Arabic here.
The following quotes are the first two paragraphs of the report:
"The constitution provides for freedom of belief and the practice of religious rites, although the Government places restrictions on these rights in practice. Islam is the official state religion and Shari'a (Islamic law) is the primary source of legislation; religious practices that conflict with the Government's interpretation of Shari'a are prohibited. Members of non-Muslim religious minorities officially recognized by the Government generally worship without harassment and maintain links with coreligionists in other countries; however, members of religious groups that are not recognized by the Government, particularly the Baha'i Faith, experience personal and collective hardship."
"There was no significant change in the status of respect for religious freedom during the period covered by this report. The Government opposed advances in the respect for religious freedom affecting Baha'is; there continued to be abuses and numerous restrictions, and some improvements. It appealed an April 4 decision by the Administrative Court which supported the right of Baha'i citizens to receive ID cards and birth certificates with religion noted on the documents."
Later on, the report states:
"Tradition and some aspects of the law discriminated against religious minorities, including Christians and particularly Baha'is. The Government also continued to deny civil documents, including identity cards, birth certificates, and marriage licenses, to members of the Baha'i community, which numbered 500 to 2000 persons."
Under "Section I. Religious Demography" it states:
"The country has an area of 370,308 square miles, and its population, as of June 2006, was approximately 73.7 million, of whom almost 90 percent were estimated to be Sunni Muslims. Shi'a Muslims constituted less than 1 percent of the population. Estimates of the percentage of Christians in the population ranged from 8 percent to 15 percent, or between 6 to 11 million, the majority of whom belonged to the Coptic Orthodox Church."
"Other Christian communities included the Armenian Apostolic, Catholic (Armenian, Chaldean, Greek, Melkite, Roman, and Syrian Catholic), Maronite, and Orthodox (Greek and Syrian) churches. An evangelical Protestant church, established in the middle of the nineteenth century, included sixteen Protestant denominations. There also were followers of the Seventh-day Adventist Church, which was granted legal status in the 1960s. There were small numbers of Mormons and members of Jehovah's Witnesses, but the Government does not recognize either group. The non-Muslim, non-Coptic Orthodox communities ranged in size from several thousand to hundreds of thousands. The number of Baha'is was estimated at between 500 and 2 thousand persons. The Jewish community numbered fewer than 200 persons."
Under "Section II. Status of Religious Freedom--Legal/Policy Framework" it states:
"The constitution, under Article 46, provides for freedom of belief and the practice of religious rites; however, the Government places restrictions on these rights in practice. Islam is the official state religion, and Shari'a is the primary source of legislation; religious practices that conflict with the Government's interpretation of Shari'a are prohibited. Members of the non-Muslim religious minorities generally worship without legal harassment and may maintain links with coreligionists in other countries. Members of other religious groups that are not recognized by the Government, particularly the Baha'i Faith, continue to experience personal and collective hardship."
"The Government continued to encourage interfaith dialogue. The religious establishment of Al-Azhar and the Ministry of Awqaf (Religious Endowments and Islamic Affairs) engaged in interfaith discussions, both domestically and abroad. In 2004 the Government announced the formation of the quasi-governmental National Council for Human Rights (NCHR), on which five of the twenty-five appointed members, as well as the president, are Copts. The NCHR is charged with furthering protections, raising awareness, and ensuring the observance of human rights and fundamental freedoms, including religious freedom. It is also charged with monitoring enforcement and application of international agreements. The council gave only superficial attention to the issue of religious freedom in its first annual report. In its second report, released in March, the council called for a solution for official recognition of Baha'is; addressed the problem of Jehovah's Witnesses; and criticized religious textbooks in schools for failing to address human rights topics. The report also recommended that Parliament pass a law that would facilitate the construction of new places of worship for all religious groups. Finally, the report noted that the council had not received any response from the Ministry of Interior or several governorates to its nine inquiries related to numerous complaints of alleged violations of religious freedom that it had received."Tree of Life (Charles Williams)
Under "Restrictions on Religious Freedom" it states:
"The Government continued to deny civil documents, including ID cards, birth certificates, and marriage licenses, to members of the Baha'i community. The Government appealed an April 4, 2006 decision by the Administrative Court which supported the right of Baha'i citizens to receive ID cards and birth certificates with religion noted on the documents. On June 19, the Administrative Court postponed the appeal hearing to September 16."
"Law 263 of 1960, still in force, bans Baha'i institutions and community activities, and a 1961 presidential decree stripped Baha'is of legal recognition. During the Nasser era, the Government confiscated all Baha'i community properties, including Baha'i centers, libraries, and cemeteries. The Government has asserted that national identity cards require all citizens to be categorized as Muslims, Christians, or Jews. The Ministry of Interior has reportedly, on rare occasions, issued documents that list a citizen's religion as "other" or simply do not include mention of religion. But it is not clear when these conditions apply. Baha'is and other religious groups that are not associated with any of the three "heavenly religions" have been compelled either to misrepresent themselves or go without valid identity documents."
"Those without valid identity cards encounter difficulty registering their children in school, opening bank accounts, and establishing businesses. Baha'is at age sixteen face additional problems under Law 143/1994, which makes it mandatory for all citizens to obtain a new identification card featuring a new national identification number. Police, often on public buses, conduct random inspections of identity papers, and those found without their identity card are regularly detained until the document is provided to the police. Some Baha'is without identity cards frequently stay home to avoid police scrutiny and possible arrest."
"In May 2004 the Government confiscated the identity cards of two Baha'is who were applying for passports. Officials told them that they were acting on instructions from the MOI to confiscate any identity cards belonging to Baha'is."
"In 1997 a human rights activist filed a lawsuit seeking the removal of the religious affiliation category from government identification cards. The plaintiff challenged the constitutionality of a 1994 decree by the MOI governing the issuance of new identification cards. A hearing scheduled for February 25, 2005, never took place. The court informed the attorney for the plaintiff that the case documents had been withdrawn and forwarded to the president of the State's Council, a highly unusual procedure. In December the court dismissed the appeal on a technicality, arguing that the complainant failed to file the appeal within sixty days after the decree had been published in the Government's Official Gazette in 1995."
Under "Abuses of Religious Freedom" it states:
"Al-Azhar's Islamic Research Center issued a legal opinion in December 2003 condemning Baha'is as apostates. In May 2006 the minister of justice requested guidance from the IRC in preparation for the Government's appeal against the landmark April 4 case in support of Baha'i rights. The IRC issued an Islamic legal interpretation stating that the Baha'i Faith was a "heresy." The 2006 interpretation referenced a 1985 opinion that had accused Baha'is of working in support of Zionism and imperialism, and labeled them as "apostates"."
Under "Improvements and Positive Developments in Respect for Religious Freedom" it states:
"In March 2006 the NCHR released its second annual report, in which it recommended a solution for official recognition of Baha'is, addressed the problem of Jehovah's Witnesses in the country, and criticized religious textbooks in schools for failing to address human rights topics. The report also encouraged the Government to pass a law for all religious groups addressing the construction of new places of worship."
Under "Section IV. U.S. Government Policy" it states:
"Religious freedom is an important part of the bilateral dialogue. The right of religious freedom has been raised with senior government officials by all levels of the U.S. government, including by visiting members of congress, the secretary of state, assistant secretary for Near Eastern Affairs, the ambassador, and other Embassy officials. The embassy maintains formal contacts with the Office of Human Rights at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. The embassy also discusses religious freedom issues regularly in contacts with other government officials, including governors and members of parliament. The ambassador has made public statements supporting interfaith understanding and efforts toward harmony and equality among citizens of all religious groups. Specifically, the embassy has raised its concerns about official discrimination against Baha'is with the Government. The Government insists that religious identification on national identity cards is necessary to determine which laws apply in civil cases."
Tomorrow, 16 September 2006, Egypt's Supreme Administrative Court will convene to decide on the Government's appeal of the lower Administrative Court's ruling which granted the Egyptian Baha'is their right to be recognized on official government documents as Baha'is.
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This evening in Birmingham, Alabama, an award winning author was honored by a certain organization.
She (the author) was seated in the far left front row, a petite white haired eighty-year-old woman. Her claim to fame was a lone book published in 1960. The book touched on a very sensitive subject in the American South of the time. She was born and had grown up in a little known town in southwest Alabama of 7,000 people, named Monroeville. Her father was an attorney in that town immortalized by the fictional character of Atticus Finch and acted by Gregory Peck in the film "To Kill a Mockingbird".Her name is Nelle Harper Lee, a recluse still living in Monroeville, Alabama who had never written a book before or after that one. The book, written by a white southern woman, did so much to the civil rights movement in the American south to the extent that 46 years later an organization in Alabama dedicated to equality and racial justice found it essential to honor that woman for what she had contributed to their cause.
Harper Lee never appears in public, never gives interviews or signs books, but she appeared for that special occasion simply because she was able to relate deeply to the organization's contributions to equality and justice. She went to the stage, received her award, and humbly thanked everyone, then sat down.
What is quite significant in this, is the organization that honored her. It is called "The Birmingham Pledge", located in Birmingham, Alabama, and made up of people of different races and backgrounds, and committed to the abolition of prejudice as well as the promotion racial harmony. It had received national attention, and even worldwide recognition for its work. It is noteworthy that this organization came out of the American south, an area that had been plagued with racial injustice and discrimination.The pledge, which has been signed by over 109,000 people thus far states the following:
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This is the last segment of the TV program on Dream-2 Channel regarding the issue of religious classification on Egypt's ID Cards. In this segment, the broadcaster talks with a caller who presented his case of being unable to obtain an ID Card unless he lies about his religion, which he could not do because it would have been immoral and illegal to make false statements on official documents. Ironically, this is what the government is asking the Baha'is in Egypt to do, i.e. deny their religion and falsify documents in order to be able to obtain ID Cards. Since the Baha'is will not lie, they are left without Identification Documents. One can easily imagine what it means to try to live in Egypt--as a citizen--without an ID Card!
Here is the translated transcript.
Broadcaster: go ahead Ustadh Dhiya' [a caller]....
Ustadh Dhiya': Good Evening!
Broadcaster: Good Evening Sir!
Ustadh Dhiya': I thank you for bringing up a topic such as this on your program. I am a Baha'i. Al-Baha'iyyah initially....
Ustadh Hamdi: his problem...[simultaneous conversation]....
Dr. Mona: sorry what was that?
Ustadh Hamdi: his problem is at your end...[Laughs]....
Ustadh Dhiya': ...the Baha'is never before wanted the section for religion to be removed from the ID [card], which is what I just heard mentioned on the program, that this subject was created for the benefits of the Baha'is. The Baha'is are not at all asking that the section for religion be omitted....
Broadcaster: no, when it was said that this would serve the Baha'is, it was meant that you will no longer have a problem....
Dr. Mona: no, a problem will still exist. It should still be in the database; that is why we can omit it on the card, this plastic card; there is a difference. However, they still should be allowed to put "other" in the database. [unclear simultaneous talking].
Ustadh Dhiya': in the government's computer [database], my religion is classified as "other". However, when I tried to obtain an ID Card, they refused to grant me one, and I was told to write "Muslim". [simultaneous talking]. In this way, I am being forced to either write "Muslim" in order to get the ID Card or not get the ID at all. I--till this day--am 25 years old and do not have a National ID Card. [simultaneous talking]....
Broadcaster: the problem of the Baha'is is a complicated one; I know that. A large part of the problem is that it appeared suddenly on the scene. At least for us in the media, we need to deal with it gradually; it appeared suddenly. And when other problems occur at the same time, like the issue of religion, I believe, that the situation becomes more complicated...Dr. Mona Zulfuqar!
Dr. Mona Zulfuqar: removing the section for religion from the ID card does not affect the religious identity or religious pride. It does not require that the religion be removed from the database. On the contrary, if we want to resolve the problems of all citizens, we should still, once again, allow them to put "other" in the space. This is so [that] the problem gets resolved. This is a proof that the issue is greater than being a mere complaint by the Baha'is or a complaint from other religious minorities. However, we are in dire need for a suggestion [an option] that has a powerful symbolic influence, so this problem can surface [get resolved]--the problem of discrimination on the basis of religion. This idea [discrimination] conflicts with the constitution which contains the text about preserving freedom of thought, freedom of belief and freedom of religious practices. Also, there is a problem with the idea of equal opportunities for all citizens that has a flaw [when] relating to all citizens, but there is also a particular flaw based on religion. This problem deserves attention and deserves that we think about it in terms of initiatives. The initiatives submitted by the National Council for Human Rights for discussion, are not only initiatives about removing the religious classification from the ID card. They also are about thinking within a general framework to support the idea of [equal] citizenship, to support that "religion is God's and the country is for all", to support the idea of justice and equal opportunity and equality before the law as a basis of interaction between the country and all its citizens.
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